Really good article, I learned a few things. Share !function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0];if(!d.getElementById(id)){js=d.createElement(s);js.id=id;js.src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js";fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs);}}(document,"script","twitter-wjs"); Then I illustrated it by showing you that the Florida Citrus Greening disease is here right here and now. Way back in 2012, I wrote what became a fairly popular and referenced article on the Monsanto buyout of a seed company called Seminis. ~ Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done or is doing? Do you usually answer questions with yes or no answers? I’ll be back to respond to it when I can. -- and what I said, which was that ‘getting the word out’ produces an ‘awareness’ of GMOs as an issue. So any conclusions either of us draw from this conversation are not accurate or complete. Profit over everything, disguised as something else. If others want to do this I am sympathetic but have mixed feelings about the effect of that. Which by the way, you don't actually know is true, unless some lab somewhere is doing random testing on the seed sold by Monsanto seed companies. I haven’t got the time to do an ‘expose’ on Monsanto. It is not a reliable reference as it was debunked by the peer-reviewed study in the Nature link. I have Better Boy and Early Girl tomatoes in my garden, Monsanto varieties, and others in tomatoes really like Big Beef, another one of theirs all for the home garden market. We just have different ways of looking at this and won't change each other. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. So, is that true or isn’t it? It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. And complete information doesn't exist, there is always some amount of information that is unavailable to us. I trust them, that they are on the same page as I am about protecting the seed supply from Genetically modified seed. Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. And to be honest, I think above all companies, they won't be lying about this! I am answering everything I possibly can and just look at all the time we have BOTH spent. And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? Conventional breeding methods that have become so efficient that the little guy doesn't have the resources to keep up is what concerns me most. And here is where I corrected what you said the first time…. I can hear that you are torn, but I am not having that problem at all. What we learned: Never buy a rental more than 15 minutes from your front door! As should every living person on the earth. That is pretty depressing. All the people working tirelessly to be stewards of seeds and to create varieties of seed for home gardeners that are what we all want.... A couple of quick questions.... Do you plan on living in the house? I would like a list of seed companies that Monsanto owns so I can avoid them. Jung Seed Company is a family-owned and operated garden seed company founded in 1907 in Randolph, Wisconsin by John William "J.W." I don't want to use GMO seeds and I want to buy from stores that follow that philosophy. So who is it that began the never ending GMO debate? I don’t know what you consider a ‘good source’ of accurate information about Monsanto, but I’ve quickly turned to Wikipedia for some. I only insist on using good references and doing a little fact checking. GMOs don’t seem to concern you. Tweet Crop failures and disasters have been a reality since the dawn of agriculture. from Wikipedia. They are restricted by commercial agreement to the grower who makes it illegal for us to buy the seeds and Monsanto went along with that as a commercial decision. They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. You detail your beliefs, and I respect everyone's beliefs , especially yours, whether your beliefs are religiously-based, socially-based, or logically-based. It goes against my core beliefs. Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? Wouldn't it appear they are trying to have a monopoly on seeds? I’m not an expert on Monsanto. But as far as GMO's, the grubby greedy hands of corporate America will never allow a GMO trait to be given to home gardening in the current legal conditions, since they would then lose all their investment in the GMO patent which is their golden-egg laying money goose. There is only room for one other comment before this post becomes to long for me. How about if the potential outcome is something to really be afraid of, that doesn't matter? Box 460 Mineral, VA 23117 Tel: 540-894-9480 Fax: 540-894-9481 www.SouthernExposure.com. As a Floridian, I am concerned that conventional breeding of oranges will not save the Florida orange industry from Citrus Greening disease in time (or at all) and "a day without Florida orange juice for me is like a day without sunshine". Tonawanda, NY 14150-7862, Turtle Tree Seed 10 White Birch Road Copake, NY  12516, WinterSown Educational 1989 School Street East Meadow, NY, Cherrygal.com 217 Brehon Street Warrenton, NC 27589 Email: cherrygal@nc.rr.com www.cherrygal.com, Christopher Weeks Peppers PO Box 3207 Kill Devil Hills, NC 27948 Email: peppers@pinn.net, Sow True Seed P.O. It is sort of intended as an "open source", freely distributed GMO introduction going on in Florida right now. Box 556 Gillett, WI  54124 Tel: 920-855-1977 Email: email@stclareseeds.com www.StClareSeeds.com, Eden Seeds/Select Organic 29 Mirani St. Lower Beechmont 4211 QLD Australia www.edenseeds.com.au  www.selectorganic.com.au   Green Harvest Organic Gardening Supplies PO Box 92 Maleny QLD 4552 Australia Tel: 07.54352699 www.greenharvest.com.au, Alberta Nurseries and Seeds, Ltd. P.O. And I thought my above response was very clear about where I personally stand on this issue, do you have some problem with that? McClure & Zimmermanâ¦another surprise, but I don't buy from them either. This includes dozens of All-American Selections and an increasing number of varieties licensed to third parties for certified organic seed production. Then I read: "JohnnyâÂÂs Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole." But I am not making a blanket statement. I would like to see the world get away from this kind of development. and break easily and are a pain in rear to fix. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, well…maybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. This Nestle brand, known for providing frozen prepared foods for families, is no stranger to being one of the brands owned by Monsanto. You are trying to sit on the fence and not be on either side, and to tell you the truth, it sounds as if you really don’t know what you think on the subject. He bought a fixer upper house a block from campus so can easily still rent it out after he graduated a few years ago. How large is the back yard? They read any random thing, take it as gospel, and think they're informed without considering the source of the information, the bias of the author, or the fact that data can be manipulated to make any theory true. And is it inaccurate to say that Monsanto does produce GMO seeds and that is their main goal? The other thing you said *about* being misquoted is *false*, quoting what you say now: "PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing.". Their catalog is a wealth of information. Trump glorifies new COVID vaccine: what else did you expect? This is so sad. Also the list is also, "or sells small percentages of seed from them.". However, flooding in rice growing regions has caused some major problems for rice growers, and those who rely on it as a food source. Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. The most notable mega-mergers in Howard’s updated chart include: • Dow and DuPont: This $130 billion merger resulted in the two chemical companies dividing into three companies, including a new agriculture firm called Corteva. I attempted to end the conversation very briefly without a long explanation in the comment before this one. And I added as a reason - the difficulty I was having with the amount of time it was taking to respond to your comments, your analysis of ‘me’ that made - ‘me’ - more the topic of conversation than the subject being discussed. Yet you don’t consider this statement a label? Powered by, Badges  |  ‘I don’t think Monsanto will own these forever’ - You have no way of knowing what Monsanto will do. My son-in-law periodically goes by the old place and says we got out at a perfect time. So why was that not good enough for you? As far as we know, the only GMO vegetable seeds available for sale today are new hybrid varieties of zucchini and summer squash, so be sure you order these from certified organic suppliers. I will address your issue about the reputed 250,000 suicides per year in India which you have taken on faith to be true, and not critically taken the time to fact-check. Hi Molanic - Yes, I'm glad they are not truncating long posts any more. On one hand, you object to boycotting Monsanto seed companies, on the other you’re willing to offer suggestions on ‘hitting their bottom line’ in other ways, as long as that doesn’t jeopardize the tomato varieties that you don’t want to lose. "There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm," wrote Aldo Leopold, "One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery..." When we remove ourselves so far from what is actually going on in our food supply, we basically give the large agribusinesses carte blanche to do whatever they want, as long as the shelves are always stocked.Now, with that being said, there are benefits to genetic engineering that are often overlooked in the conversation. This year, I used FEDCO for my vegetable seeds again. Do you think the "Natural" or "Original" Species of plants ( and maybe other organisms too ) will go extinct because of the GMOs overpopulating the Whole World? Again, you opened up the discussion of GMO when you challenged the idea of boycotting GMO seed companies. #109-394 Scottsdale, AZ  8525-6107 Tel: 877-956-SEED (7333) Fax: 480-347-0837 www.humbleseed.com, Native Seeds/SEARCH 3584 E. River Road Tucson, AZ 85718 Tel: 520-622-0830 Fax: 520-622-0829 www.nativeseeds.org, Old Pueblo Plant & Seed Company P.O. 2. a discussion involving differing points of view; debate: And no, I did not ‘expect’ you to read all the links and report back on them to the thread. This is just disrespectful. That's about it. I'd really like to know. As to me labeling you, no, absolutely not. It sounds more like an environmental disaster in India to me, if this information is accurate. We are in the same boat, since it took me at least as much time as you to compose my replies for you or may I dare say maybe longer :-(, and your replies were not a walk through the park to read and I did visit and read every link you offered. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all ... just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. Box 18105 Pensacola, FL 32523 Tel: 850-327-4378 www.mushroomsfmrc.com, Growin’ Crazy Acres 4435 Union Springs Road Spring Hill, FL  34608 www.growincrazyacres.com, Organic Sanctuary 1319 Cochran Road Geneva, FL 32732 www.organicsanctuary.com, QR Seeds Inc. P.O. Founded in the midst of the first modern day back-to-the-land movement in … And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? If anything the larger companies have less questionable variety development. However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. For example they were where the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published (link). Whose goal is to…"Advance the ethical development and stewardship of the genetic resources of agricultural seed.". No, Pupilla, I did not tell you millions of people were dying, a link I posted reported that, which I asked if it were true, did I not? Concise and to the point and analyzing the subject you’re discussing and not the person you are discussing it with is also beneficial. Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? I vote with my dollars and Burpee is a company who does business with a company owned by Monsanto. My daughter and I were discussing just this subject yesterday. tomatoman-"Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. Have you read the FEDCO company’s catalog? The real unfortunate part of it is that disagreements between well meaning people like us add to the confusion of someone trying to learn more. I've already made my decision and I did enough research before I did to feel very comfortable with my choice. Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. I have a better idea. No you don’t see Monsanto ‘rescuing us’ but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. It's rhetorical. Simpson’s Seeds, The Walled Garden Nursery, Cock Lane, Horningham, Longleat, Wilts, BA12 7NQ; tel 01985 845004. Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. Pupilla - I'm sorry to tell you this, but I don't find an explanation in your post at all. Here is a quote of what I said --, “You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. New Additions to the Non GMO Heirloom Seed Supply list: We would like to be included in your safe seed suppliers list. Monsanto mounts an aggressive GMO PR campaign 2015, http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Bite/2015/0318/Monsanto-mounts-an-aggressive-GMO-PR-campaign. Posted on January 9, 2013 by Todd Lohenry. You made two comments about me that I feel are not accurate. I have to agree with PC's comment from May 10th which says: "I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleadinginformation with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering.". You seem to be trying to straddle both sides and see yourself ‘above’ everyone else. Box 3908 Lawrence, KS 66046 www.growitalian.com, Skyfire Garden Seeds 1313 23rd Road Kanopolis, KS 67454 Email: seedsaver@myvine.com www.grapevine.net/~mctaylor, Ferry Morse Seed Company 600 Stephen Beale Drive P.O. (I don’t work for them or anything, I just love them that much. The pistache is a wonderful tree, and could be enclosed or at least "visually enclosed" with hardscape or low fencing, pavers, etc.. not sure if you're still looking for input..... cheers! Again, I gave you alternate suggestions of how to hit Monsanto's bottom line so much harder, that included not purchasing Round-Up, not purchasing Miracle Gro products, and not purchasing the commercial Zima tomato product, which I thought would make you happy since it is conventional Monsanto seeds and the growers conned Monsanto into giving them an exclusive, which prevents all home gardeners from getting this conventional seed, even though it is super delish and was developed conventional before Monsanto bought them out. Expressing concern and making people aware of an issue, is not what I consider scare mongering. It's important to realize that, while there are definitely aspects of the issue that are, at best, unsavory, and at worst downright deplorable, there are also those beneficial and worthy parts of the whole as well. Better to leave the door open! Box 443 Bon Aqua, TN 37025 Email: farmergrass@newhopeseed.com, Readiness Essentials 107 Cavalier Drive Hendersonville, TN 37075, Diane’s Flower Seeds 1380 N. Hway 89 Ogden, UT 84404 www.dianeseeds.com, Hometown Seeds.com 507 N. 1500 W. Orem, UT  84057 www.hometownseeds.com, The Cook’s Garden PO Box 535 Londonderry, VT 05148 Tel: 800-457-9703 Fax: 802-824-9556 Email: catalog@cooksgarden.com www.cooksgarden.com, Dirt Works 1195 Dog Team Road New Haven, VT 05472-4000 Tel: 877-213-3828 (Toll Free) www.dirtworks.net, High Mowing Organic Seeds 76 Quarry Road Wolcott, VT 05680 Tel:  802-472-6174 Fax:  802-472-3201 Email:  info@highmowingseeds.com www.highmowingseeds.com, Ladybug Herbs of Vermont 943 Richard Woolcutt Road Wolcott, VT 05680 Tel/Fax: 802-888-5940 Email: vtherbs@pover.net. The company's first products were commodity food additives, such as the artificial sweetener saccharin, caff… They also had 50 seed in their sunflower packets. When they bought out Seeds of Change in 2010, here is what happenedâ¦. Those are the only tools I find useful as an independent thinker in the undecided category. I get notifications on this old thread. I’m actually against biotech entirely. A list of companies that sell seeds native to your area, and an area specific list of natives and invasives would be more productive. You can't believe anything from infowars - their site has been taken down because of all of the conspiracy theories and fake news. So why is it still being discussed? My appliances do not match, and it's not a big deal, no one appliance maker can excel at every appliance, so I would recommend getting the ones you love. If you feel I have offended you in some way and you want to respond, then I will continue until you feel satisfied. I’ve made a few points that represent my own point of view and you skip right over them in favor of suffocating the conversation with more of your own opinions and explanations and analysis. There is a link to a pdf on his site that shows the graphics a little more clearly. Do you see yourself as ‘above the fray’? Or do you actually believe that all the lawsuits [which there are many beyond what happened in India] and the complaints against Monsanto are manufactured and Monsanto and GMO seeds are above reproach? Please see, where I have added the question, ‘is that right?’ and “Is that your point of view?” in an attempt to give you the opportunity to confirm or deny my interpretation of what you’ve said. As a matter of fact, I don't even find it clear and understandable. To me, you can’t go in opposite directions at the same time. Isn't that the company that owns M&Ms? Being undecided means I have issues with both sides. I'm going through them all :-). I have selected one or two only at a time to respond to and even with those I have written at least as many, but I think plenty more words than you. And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. A more reliable source of the seed companies owned by Montsanto can be found on this link: https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf. I was reminded that 10 giant chemical and pharmaceutical companies now own 80% of the world's commercial seed. Monsanto has become the world leader in genetic engineering of seeds, winning 674 biotechnology patents, which is more than any other company. Hannity: Texas AG challenge to vote results ‘could be a game-changer’, Lots of Talk On the Net About US Military’s Operation “Devil Storm” Presently Being Prepped, https://www.army.mil/article/221353/1st_brigade_combat_team_completes_operation_devil_storm_on_fort_, SECRET MILITARY DOCUMENTS: Trudeau invited Chinese troops to train at Canadian military bases, No source into other than it was reported to be on the Facebook page of the 82nd Airborne Division. May 17, 2013 - Seed companies - those owned by Monsanto and those not https://i0.wp.com/ai…, Democrat Proposes Tying $1,500 Stimulus Checks To COVID Vaccinations, Contact address: 1129 Maricopa Highway #173, Ojai, CA 93023, Contact email: allgoodthings@plantgoodseed.com. But please own your words, since those original words I found objectional, and I respect you for what you say, and would feel foolish to participate in a conversation where at the end I am told I misquoted someone when I did not and would not, and if it happened by accident I would instantly correct and apologize, because I will own my mistake. Bottom Line to me is why give Monsanto more power? Please check your browser settings or contact your system administrator. I don’t see why gardeners can’t support small companies who are not trying to compete with high tech seed companies. When you purchase seeds be aware of their source, expecting Non GMO seeds and getting Gm seeds would not be beneficial. [And you did not directly quote me before disagreeing with what I said in that instance. A spokesperson for Mars indicated the closure was due to a "strategic shift" and that not all the employees would retain their jobs.". Thanks for bringing them to my attention. The list isn't just what companies are actually owned by Monsanto, but it also includes seed companies that simply sell some Seminis seed. What, remove names once someone finds an inaccuracy? A marketer and a preacher are two even handed words in my vocabulary. Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. Genetic engineering has been able to create a rice that can survive for up to two weeks submerged under water, and may prove to be a lifeline for these people.The Hawaiian papaya industry was brought back from the brink of disaster by splicing ringspot virus DNA with that of the plant, a process similar to the inoculation of humans against disease. Look at how they closed down the Seeds of Change organic farm after they bought it. Is there any way to stop getting notifications of this topic? Please explain, what it is about a desire not to see genetically modified seeds and plants that you object to? Burpee gets $0.10 of it, marginalized Asian Indian farmers producing it get $0.05 of it (I'd rather buy US seed, but cheap hybrid seed is usually produced there which at least helps very needy and hardworking people), Florida gets $0.03 if I paid sales tax on retail seeds (can't remember) UPS gets $0.01 of it. Sadly, the landlord (who lives across the continent) was not very careful in admitting new tenants as the need arose. And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. And I believe I have already explained other reasons for why I avoid GMO seeds and Monsanto which you evidently don't accept. 1% retail connection and then made to look as "owned by"? In August 2010, Mars announced that it would close the El Guique farm and move some management to Los Angeles. You have ‘peppered’ your comments with plenty of complaints and labels of what I have had to say. Once that I buy only conventionally bred seeds, and prefer only conventionally bred vegetables and fruits and GMOs concern me but this is a case by case problem. Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. What people seem to neglect in the conversation, is there is another side to the issue of genetic engineering.First, some things I will agree on: The overuse of herbicides and pesticides in agriculture and the GE of crops to resist the harmful side effects is cause for concern. Didn't know someone was trying to track the government officials who are making policy that allows Monsanto to continue along. Thanks so much for this list. ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. :-). 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